A friend of mine and I are having a discussion about Mariah Carey and I explain that she is Latina. Her dad is Venezuelan, or as wikipedia likes to put it “Afro-Venezuelan” (like we ever say Euro-Venezuelan or Indigenious-Venezuelan). My friend counters with
…and let’s be realistic here. this is america. and for all extents and purposes she is considered black. in fact you are the first person i’ve ever heard call her latina. but then you seem to have a thing about trying to claim everybody as latina i.e. batman
Okay so I once got in an argument with him that Batman had to be Latino because no white man could have a car that cool (yes, a George Lopez joke). My boyfriend laughed at me the other day when at the doctors office under race/ethnicity I put “White Mexican”…well it is true.
That said though, can Mariah be a mixed latina? Can her father be a black latino? Can I be a white latina? Or do we have to pick?
No! We ALL have to be Batman!
Didn’t he mean “intents and purposes”? Anyway, Elenamary, we need you in this highbrow debate:
http://vivirlatino.com/2006/02/09/the-grammy-awards-te-suena-bien.php
I prefer to call my lover a Blatino… he’s so cute you really can’t tell what he is and mostly I don’t care.
hugs
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I just think it points to the complexity of the concepts of race and ethnicity
yes i did mean intents and purposes. thank you grammar nazi.
my main point since you seem to need to make our conversation into a public debate… is that in all of the interviews that i have personally read or seen with mariah since like 1994. she has never referred to herself as being latina. she has said her dad was black and her mother was white.
so for all intents and purposes she is black. because lord knows that in america you can’t be mixed with any part black and not be considered black.
i’m not saying that if her dad was half venezuelan that she doesn’t constitute as technically being a latina. but america doesn’t. and i don’t think she does either.
Mariah Carey is black? News to me.
Afro-Latina….Blacktina…I don’t care, she’s multi-racial and its up to her to embrace whichever culture she feels more comfortable with. I have one set of cousins who are half black…they are just as Mexican as I am, in my opinion.
I’ll just wait for her spanish CD to come out.
This is such an interesting topic to bring up, EM. And using Mariah as an example in the media is also a great way to open up a discussion. I remember when she first hit big, in 1990, she was marketed as a white, adult contemporary…like a whiter version of Whitney Houston. Then as her records kept getting more into the R&B vibe, she became ‘urban’ and ‘black.’
I agree with Roni on this one, it’s up to her and any other multiracial folks (uh, like my future Czcechixican offspring) to embrace their culture to what they identify most.
So, rock on being a white Mexican, si te da la gana. :)
Mariah Carey I always pretty much considered “ethnically ambiguous” -
That is up until I saw her get “raw” on someone in an interview and I’m like, “Yikes … well, this woman just MIGHT be Black …” [[Grin]]
Self-identification is extremely powerful but I think we have to be cautious about playing into racial stereotypes when we do that. For example my mother has a thing for saying she’s a white puerto rican and she does that as a way of denying any african blood in her. Also where does an anglo person who was born to anglo parents fit into this say if they were born in Mexico. I know of cases where they identify as Mexican. Is that accurate? Is it a national identification?
I don’t know. I guess where I’m at now, “Latino” is definitely not a race. It is more a union of ethnicities. So I’m actually not sure that I would call Mariah a Latina.
I mean, think about it this way… what if Alberto Fujimori (president of Peru) and Elena Poinatowski (Mexican novelist of European Jewish ancestry) had a kid together who was adopted by a couple in Australia and grew up not speaking a lick of Spanish. Would that child be Latino?
That whole thing of “I’d be Puerto Rican even if I was born on the moon” is eloquent as a form of defiance and expression of identity for Nuyoricans but in extreme cases, it kind of breaks down.
On the other hand, Blackness is different. Being born in a black body automatically puts you in a different existential situation. For example, I have a friend who basically grew up in the only Black family in an otherwise all-white town. You don’t have to speak Swahili or even be able to identify Africa on a map, he still has that experience of difference which is distinctively Black.
If people want to talk about Latino as if it were a race, then I would argue they really aren’t talking about Latinidad but something else (like being mestizo or mulatto or otherwise being born in a Brown body… but then that excludes others who are Latino but Black.. or white.. or yellow in their ‘biology’)
signed…
the OTHER sexy black blogger who has “Planet” in the name of their webpage.
in the public mind, she’s black, and if we hadn’t read her bio, we could not have known. however, self-identification matter very much, as with Tiger woods, he claims about 5 races!
White Mexican, yes, that’s true. we have white Latinos and we got black Latinos.
but a quesion for you EM, do you consider yourself a “person of color” (and white doesn’t count here cuz then the term would have no point, and then we would be claiming ‘color blindness’ and we now where republicans want to take it.)
peace.
Labels are just that. Whatever you feel good calling yourself do so. It helps with identity. Now the people that have identity crisis, that is a whole other subject.
Now Mariah I personally would not want to claim as Latina. Not just because she is nuts but because I have never heard her be proud of her heritage, granted she might have never learned anything about it. The day she says she eats arepas, then maybe she can say she is Latina.
Hell, even the lame old census bureau has known for years that latino is a cultural category that crosses the boundaries of race! I’m surprised this is even a question.
Which isn’t to say that “black” isn’t the primary category on which one will be judged, prejudged and racially profiled by USAmericans.
I think the concept of black latinos is only a surprise to people who’ve never met a latino who wasn’t mestizo Mexican. And who’ve never seen a Rosie Pérez movie. :-)
Speaking of “ethnically ambiguous” celebrities, what about Jennifer Beals? I just saw Flashdance for the first time and I didn’t read her as black in that, but in the L Word they make such a big deal of her being biracial (and about her relationship with her all-black half-sister Pam Grier). Is Beals another stealth ethnic like Mariah Carey?
I feel the need for sub-races is because not everyone feels comfortable by being labeled as part of a race… and the reason for feeling uncomfortable is because there still are some sort of residual stereotypes about the race.
Oooh, I want to be stealth ethnic. I’d also like a sub-race … I feel like us freckleds have never received the ethnic sovereignty we deserve.
Anyway, had I more balls I would say that, internationally speaking, the lighter your skin, the more brown you want to be and vise-versa. But that would be very un-PC so I’ll keep it to myself.
mariah carey is not black she is irish and venezuelan.
what’s a sub-race?
“I’d be Puerto Rican even if I was born on the moonâ€Â
Every time I Roy Brown sing that song/poem, it brings a tear to my eye :)
“Desde las ondas del mar
que son besos a su orilla,
una mujer de Aguadilla
vino a New York a cantar.
Pero no, solo a llorar
un largo llanto y morir.
De ese llanto yo nacÃÂ
como la lluvia una fiera.
Y vivo en larga espera
de cobrar lo que perdÅ”
I don’t know I always thought she was light skin black. I guess she could settle and say she is mixed.
I’m with Logtar all the way.
I couldn’t have said it any better.
:-)
Here’s the whole poem …
http://planetgrenada.blogspot.com/2005/04/boricua-en-la-luna.html
About time someone discussed this issue. Although Mariah was marketed to a predominantly “white” adult contemperory audience she has always viewed herself as black. Then later you would hear or read she say something like Afro-Velenzuelan. You’re Dad is either from Velenzuela or he’s not. Don’t try to give him a color to market to a specific group of people. I don’t hear people saying I’m a white-Mexican or brown-Mexican when they ask their nationality.
A couple of your entries really struck me–I came across you by just surfing.
1. In response to your post about all those sad lemmings driving their cars home on Friday and lining up at the ATM: that post describes perfectly one of the many reasons we should all live in cities, not in suburbs! Cities are better for the environment than suburban private homes in coutless ways, not the least of which is that dense housing uses much less energy than private houses. Also, in a well-planned city, there is little need for cars at all, hence there is less air pollution and thermal pollution per capita.
2. I appreciate what you said about Marla Ruzicka. I was just doing my semi-annual google of her name to see if there were any news on getting her a Medal of Honor or Medal of Freedom. I had never heard of her until she died, and I read about her in the news. Her story has become indelible in my memory. I consider myself a “part-time activist,” and there are a lot of people like me. But Ms. Ruzicka did something like “putting your money where your mouth is,” which is what so few of us do. But she put her very life “where her mouth is,” to coin a very awkward phrase, by GOING TO Iraq, and getting to know the civilians hurt by the war, and in doing so, she set a standard by which we all (not just anti-war types, but everyone who thinks they have a moral compass) should judge ourselves.
Thanks for your posts.
mariah carey is not black no she’s not. she is mixed race.
mariah carey is not black no she’s not. she is mixed race.
MARIAH CAREY IS MIXED RACE SHE IS NOT BLACK
mariah carey dont consider herself black no she does not. she has always said she was mixed race(multiracial).
Mariah is white. she’ll never ever ever ever make a black baby, as in black like loretta Devine or Samy Sosa even if she “bred” with the blackest original man she could find.
No disprespect intended but some people really make this “what is black” thing way more complicated than it needs to be.
Hey elena any reason for taking down the other posts you had up?
One of my friends who knew Mariah when she was in High School said no one knew she was black. The fact of the matter is that she was raised by a white mother and her father is a Black and Venezuelan (meaning Venezuelan with ancestors of African decent). Therefore, she is White, Black and Latino. She can choose to be whatever she wants to be and people can claim her as one of their own if they want to.
Blatina — I love that one!
There’s a huge hunk of language that seems to have been forgotten in the last 100 years or so. I ran across it several years ago when I was writing about Alexandre Dumas.
Depending on what percentage African-Black/French/Spanish/Portugese/Anglo/Native-American you are, you might be mulatto (or mulatta – many of these have a female equivalent), mestizo, metis, quadroon, octoroon, creole, criollo, or several others. There are about a dozen words of this type. Some are very specific, but other vary from time to time and place to place.
Am I the only one who thinks this is truly weird?
“Mariah is white. she’ll never ever ever ever make a black baby, as in black like loretta Devine or Samy Sosa even if she “bred†with the blackest original man she could find.”
HUH? That statement is ridiculous. She’ll never make a black baby? Woah, that is a really ignorant thing to say. My partner is lilly white, and he has a black daughter. Yes, she is “mixed” but she identifies as light skinned black. Who am I, or anyone else, to define her for herself? The world looks at her and sees black, so even if she identified as dark skinned white, which is apparantly what Mariah has done most of her life, she could still make “black” babies, even if she had them with a white guy. That’s how it works. Its a coin toss as to the actual color of skin, but you can’t look at someone and automatically know what tone of skin their kids will have. One could be dark dark, another light light, even with the exact same parents. And how much does exact tone matter in defining oneself?
“No disprespect intended but some people really make this “what is black†thing way more complicated than it needs to be.”
So… what IS black if it is so simple?
Xine:
apparently you have a hard time reading. You just said yourself that “friend” is “light skinned black” there is no such thing as “Light skinned black” there is black and there are all kinds of shades of brown, red, yellow pink and damn near snow white. None of those “shades’ is black.
Do not, I repeat, do not mistake social theory or socializing with genetics.
Your friends daughter is not black. Mariah Carey is not black. And you know what? It’s no big deal at all. Nothing in the slightest wrong with it.
Sondjata, you my dear, are an idiot. Xine posted an intelligent comment and had much patience with you. I on the other hand do not.
Well you can go ahead and call my step daughter whatever you like, but buddy: that means that the vast majority of blacks in the US aren’t black (what is black but a social theory? How would you define black in a genetic term? or white for that matter, which too is purely social theroy: when my dad was born, he wasn’t concidered white, now he is, due to societal changes). If someone has a drop of white in them, according to you, they aren’t black. So…… that means we are all not black? Interesting concept, though not linked in any way shape or form to reality.
My step daughter is 13 years old. She didn’t think up “light skinned black”. It came from somewhere beyond herself: what society identifies her as, how the black community she is surrounded by identifies her, wrong or not. AND I didn’t call her light skinned black or anything else, I said (who has the problem reading now?) “she identifies as light skinned black.” identifies. SHE IDENTIFIES. I don’t actually think she would care one iota what YOU identify her as, because it wouldn’t change her reality. You can call her white, or brown, or whatever you want and she can laugh in your face. I would love to see it.
OH: and you never answered my question: if its so simple, let’s hear your definition of what is black, and see if anyone in the world fits in that category
If Mariah isn’t black, then she should stop pursuing and accepting cover stories in black magazines such as Essence, Ebony, and Jet. Whenever she has a CD to sell or wants to make some money, she makes sure black people know she’s black.
After years of absence from the scene, she pushed her comeback on every black publication she could find and it worked!
It’s working for her financially by boosting her record sales among blacks while Tiger Woods pursues a multi-racial approach because he doesn’t have to sell himself to the black community since golf is not generally recognized by blacks as a worthy game on par with basketball.
Before anything, when I first saw Mariah Carrey, the first thing I thought was WOW! she’s hot! and later I thought that she was latina. Look a her facial features and she has blond hair, she looks latina. If her dad is Venezuelian, why didn’t he teach her spanish?
nglish-speaking nations of America, since the one-drop Black theory as it is used in the United States was never used. Racial categories in Latin American are very different from those in the United States, and can be somewhat complex. The one-drop theory is actually used widely, but it does not refer to a person having one-drop of “Black blood” being black, but instead a person having minimal to no “White blood” can call themself white, if they so choose. Latinos believe the term “Afro-Latino” is not necessary as the term “Latino” itself ecompasses and includes a melée of various ethnic heritages that includes Indigenous, African and European bloodlines. A growing amount of Latin Americans feel that certain allegedly politically-correct citizens of the United States lack a thorough understanding of what it actually means to be a Latino in America, as do many of the people who call themselves Latino. People who identify as Latino assume that this word means the same to everyone, but when you actually discuss this term with so-called “Latinos” you will understand that it means different things to different people. They feel that many US persons are trying to impose their views on how to define Latino culture by viewing and comparing everyone’s history through their own cultural and racial experiences in the United States and not through the cultural and ethnic lens of Latino America itself. They may not be aware that many of the people who are trying to impose these views on them are their so-called “Latino” brothers and sisters, whom do not put themselves in the same category with Black Latinos. But do note, that the above does not speak for all Black Latinos, and this sentiment is most commonly uttered from White Americans, and White Europeans who are consciously and subconsciously afraid Black unity. These people are aware that many Blacks worldwide are uniting or at least attempting to unite, and they are doing their very best to stop it. Also note that most African Americans, as well as Americans are not even aware that Afro-Latinos exist due to the racism that exists in the media and everyday life in Latin America as well as the United States.
In most Latin American countries, the term “negro” is sometimes used for people with very dark skin or even as a term of endearment regardless of ancestry. People of mixed ancestry are called mulatto, mestizo, or zambo. The difference between the terms is subjective and influenced by cultural biases. Because of the highly miscegenated nature of the majority of Latin America and the subjectivity of terminology, the number of “Afro-Latin Americans” is not able to be calculated though it is clearly substantially larger than the number of African Americans in the United States. Although, Blacks in Latin America are numbered at around 150 million. With many more of African descent.
History
English-speaking nations of America, since the one-drop Black theory as it is used in the United States was never used. Racial categories in Latin American are very different from those in the United States, and can be somewhat complex. The one-drop theory is actually used widely, but it does not refer to a person having one-drop of “Black blood” being black, but instead a person having minimal to no “White blood” can call themself white, if they so choose. Latinos believe the term “Afro-Latino” is not necessary as the term “Latino” itself ecompasses and includes a melée of various ethnic heritages that includes Indigenous, African and European bloodlines. A growing amount of Latin Americans feel that certain allegedly politically-correct citizens of the United States lack a thorough understanding of what it actually means to be a Latino in America, as do many of the people who call themselves Latino. People who identify as Latino assume that this word means the same to everyone, but when you actually discuss this term with so-called “Latinos” you will understand that it means different things to different people. They feel that many US persons are trying to impose their views on how to define Latino culture by viewing and comparing everyone’s history through their own cultural and racial experiences in the United States and not through the cultural and ethnic lens of Latino America itself. They may not be aware that many of the people who are trying to impose these views on them are their so-called “Latino” brothers and sisters, whom do not put themselves in the same category with Black Latinos. But do note, that the above does not speak for all Black Latinos, and this sentiment is most commonly uttered from White Americans, and White Europeans who are consciously and subconsciously afraid Black unity. These people are aware that many Blacks worldwide are uniting or at least attempting to unite, and they are doing their very best to stop it. Also note that most African Americans, as well as Americans are not even aware that Afro-Latinos exist due to the racism that exists in the media and everyday life in Latin America as well as the United States.
In most Latin American countries, the term “negro” is sometimes used for people with very dark skin or even as a term of endearment regardless of ancestry. People of mixed ancestry are called mulatto, mestizo, or zambo. The difference between the terms is subjective and influenced by cultural biases. Because of the highly miscegenated nature of the majority of Latin America and the subjectivity of terminology, the number of “Afro-Latin Americans” is not able to be calculated though it is clearly substantially larger than the number of African Americans in the United States. Although, Blacks in Latin America are numbered at around 198 million. With many more of African descent.
Dominican Republic
93% are of predominately mixed Black ancestry, with some European, and Amerindian ancestry as well, the Domincan Republic is about 9-11% White, depending on your defenition of White, since many of the Whites are of African descent as well. Dominican blacks were brought as slaves in large proportions from West Africa to sugar cane plantations on the island. Blacks from Dominican Republic and Haiti are in the majority along the border between the two countries, and that is also where the pure blacks are mainly concentrated. Dominican culture is greatly affected by African traditions. The music, religion, language, food, and dress of the Dominican people are of very noticeable African roots.
Ecuador
The Afro-Ecuadorian culture is found in the northwest coastal region of Ecuador. Afro-Ecuadorians make up the majority (70%) in the province of Esmeraldas and the Valle de Chota in the Imbabura Province. They can be also found in Guayaquil. The culture developed among people who were descendants of slaves brought to work sugar plantations. It is known outside of Ecuador for a distinctive kind of marimba music. Afro-Ecuadorians make up 5 to 10% of the population of the country, where they have been the victims of discrimination.
Puerto Rico
According to the 2000 U.S. Census taken in Puerto Rico, 38% of the population is black and 42.9% is of mixed or other race, but these numbers are widely thought to be skewed since they are numbers based on self-definition and acute physical observation of census-takers. An island-wide mtDNA study conducted by the University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez revealed Puerto Ricans to have 61% Native Amerindian (Taino) ancestry, 87% West/Central (Sub-Saharan) African blood and only 33% European/North African blood. This misinformation of ethnic populations within Puerto Rico also existed under Spanish rule when the Native Amerindian (Taino) populations were recorded as being “extinct”. Biological science has now rewritten their history books. In all, about 31 African tribes have been recorded in Puerto Rico. These tribes were not voluntary travellers, but have since blended into the mainstream Puerto Rican population (as all the others have been) with Taino ancestry being the common thread that binds.
Many so-called “pure” blacks in Puerto Rico are found in the coastal areas, areas traditionally associated with sugar cane plantations (especially in the towns Loiza, Guayama, Ponce, and Carolina). The Puerto Rican musical genres of bomba and plena are of African and Caribbean origin respectively and danced to during parties and African-derived festivals. Many Boricuas who claim West/Central African ancestry are descendants of enslaved Congo and Yoruba tribes from Africa. After the abolition of slavery in 1873 and the invasion of the United States, a number of African Americans have also migrated and settled in Puerto Rico. Also, note that the Puerto Ricans that typically identify as Black, make up the majority of Puerto Ricans immigrating to the U.S.
Sources
Official acceptance modifies some forms of culture. The carnival is an example. Until the 19th
century, the annual celebration of carnival was confined to the black population; the upper classes
deplored carnival and tried to destroy it as a public festival. By the early 20th century, however, it
had attracted all classes and races, and currently it has official government support in the Bahamas,
Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, and Brazil. Although carnival has become respectable, and its
festivities are open to all races and classes, the chief participants of these carnivals are still black.
The same remains true for other folk festivals such as the Jonkonnu in Jamaica.
In some cases, however, the transition from low to high culture obscured the African origin, as in
Argentina where the tango was developed from dual African ancestry. One source is undoubtedly
the Spanish fandango, but the fandango is really Moorish. The other source is a black dance called
the candombe, the feature attraction of Afro-Argentine festivals during and after the period of
slavery. Latin American music has always been deeply influenced by the vibrant rhythms and
melodies that blacks brought with them from their African homeland. This is particularly true of
Brazil; in fact, the first real music school in that country was founded by a black priest. Brazilian
music is thoroughly imbued with African themes, and illustrious composers such as Heitor Villa-
Lobos have long found inspiration in the black musical heritage. Many Caribbean musical styles
have become widely known, including the mambo from Cuba, salsa from Puerto Rico, reggae
from Jamaica, and calypso from Trinidad.
Religious Practices
When it came to religion, African immigrants to Latin America and the Caribbean not only retained
some of their original beliefs but also borrowed and modified religious rituals from the various
European Christian churches they encountered there. Religious affiliation, however, is no longer
restricted by race or color. A number of Christian groups such as the Seventh-day Adventists,
Pentecostals, and Churches of God are predominantly black. On the other hand, religious sects of
African originâ€â€such as the vodun in Haiti (see Voodoo); Shango in Trinidad and Tobago,
Venezuela, and Brazil; SanterÃÂa in Cuba and Puerto Rico; Kumina, Myal, Revivalist, and Ras
Tafari in Jamaica; and Umbanda, Macounda, and others in Brazilâ€â€are no longer only black
LET ME SETTLE ALL OF THIS. LATINO IS NOT A RACE!!!! IT IS AN ETHNIC GROUP. THERE ARE WHITE LATINOS, ASIAN LATINOS, BLACK LATINOS. IM NOT SURE IF MARIAH CAREYS FATHER WAS BLACK, AND HALF VENUZEULAN. BUT IF HE WAS A BLACK VENUZUELAN, FROM VENUZUELA. THAT MAKE HIM BLACK, AN AFRO LATINO. ANY PERSON OF AFRICAN DESCENT IS BLACK!! WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT ETHINICITYS TO CATOGORIZE US. AFRO-AMERICAN, BLACK EUROPEANS LIKE NAOMI CAMBELL, AFRO LATINOS,AFRO CARRIBEANS. THERE SO MANY AFRO LATINOS IN HOLLYWOOD, YOU THINK THEY ARE AFRO AMERICAN LIKE ZOE SALDANA, AND ROMEO THAT WAS ON THE STEVE HARVEY SHOW (R.I.P) I SEE WHERE SOMEONE POSTED THAT MARIAH WASNT BLACK AND SAID THAT SHE WAS IRISH AND VENUZUELAN..DAMN I THOUGHT THOSE WERE NATIONALITYS? DUH! IRISH, AND VENUZEULAN IS A NATIONALITY NOT A RACE DUMMY.
MARISH RECENTLY MADE A COMMENT IN A MAGAZINE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW HER, AND SHE GETS OFFENDED BY SOME OF THE RACIAL THINGS THEY SAY OR ASK..SHE SAID THEY MUST FORGET THAT IM HALF BLACK. MARIAH KNOWS WHO SHE IS, AND I THINK SHE IDENTIFY WITH BOTH SIDES, AND THERS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY..HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS BLACK. AND TO THE GUY THAT SAYS SHE CANT MAKE A BLACK BABY..LOL…I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LOOK LIKE MARIAH, AND HAVE BLACK BABYS. MY PARENTS ARE BROWNED SKIN, AND MY SISTER CAME OUT SUPER WHITE PEOPLE THINK SHES MULLATA, ITS BECAUSE OF MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS WHITE AND INDIAN….WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH YOUR VEINS YOU NEVER KNOW HOW YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO COME OUT. AND JUST TO LET ALL THE UNDEDUCATED LATINOS KNOW. LATIN AMERICAS, AND THE OTHER LATIN PLACES IS DOMINATED WITH AFRICAN. BLOOD. CUBA WHICH IS BLACK COUNTRY,BRAZIL A BLACK COUNTRY HAS THE HIGHES BLACK POPULATION NEXT TO NIGERIA, PERU, PANAMA,HONDURAS,COLOMBIA,OH DID I MENTION MEXICO? YES DO YOUR RESEARCH ON BLACKS IN MEXICO..DO YOUR SEARCH ON THE INTERNET IN THE LITTLE BOX. OH..OVER 400 MILLION SLAVES WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICA…ONLY 5% CAME TO THE UNITED STATES., AND ABOUT 5% TO EUROPE.WHERE DID THE OTHERS GO? LATIN AMERICA!!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES
2 all of ya readin this fuked up post LATINO aint bout da color of yo skin! I am from peru and i like most latinos m mixed wit various descendants of african, european, n indian-indigineous natives of tha americas n according 2 this socially n politically n wateva otha shit u wanna sell i m a whole lot of defintions WHICH IS BULLSHIT!!! Latino is bout a cultural identity not sum fuken racial thing, n dats y wen u ask sum1 whether dey look white, brown or blak dey will tell u dat de’re LATINO! dere aint no such thing as afro,euro,indian-latino a LATINO IS LATINO bottom line!
Mariah Carey is of mixed race so she can claim wateva tha fuk she wants 2 & no doubt she will or probz already does! If she has been claimin 2 b blak recently den obviously its 2 get tha blak market on side, its jus all bout tha money ppl! n if u dont realize dat den u all ignorant! Like sum1 said earlier wit tiger woods he makes it known dat he is multiracial coz he nos dat tha blak community aint a dominant money factor in da golf world! so usin this approach is much beneficial from da money perspective.NO FUKEN DOUBT Mariah Carey pretty soon will b aknowledin her latina heritage 2 get tha latino market buyin her shit jus as she did wit her blak heritage!MOS DEF if she hasnt dun so already she’ll release a reggaeton remix of 1 of her singles or maybe evn a reggaeton collabo 4 a trak LMFAO she’ll probz learn spanish jus so she can release an album 2 cash-in!
To: SoCalledMixedLatino, I understand what you are saying when you say you are a mixed with various decendants of African, europeon and etc. but you cannot say that there are no such thing as afro-Latinos, Euro, indian latinos etx. because just like there are people of mixed decent in america example Kelios, Alicia Keys Tiger woods, there are also some of us latinos who are not a mixture of races and are of pure african decent and my best friend who is colombian and is of pure europen decent who has blond hair blue eyes and looks like paris hilton. We are both Latino. I am from Puerto Rico and just like some of the players opn the yankees , if you did not know it, you would think I am African American but I am not. I am just a Latino who is only of african decent and not mixed with anything else. W@ho knows maybe deep in my blood line I have euro blood but so do many african americans who dont know because back in their ansectry their ansestors were raped by white slave owners and thats why we have so many shades of African americas. Who knows the same thing coldhave happened in my case but this dosn’t make me or them any less black. You, like a bunch of other latinos are of mixed races but some of us are all or primarilly one race but nevertheless latino all the same…. UNDERSTAND. Also note that countries such as Jamaica and trinidad were spanish speacking contries for hundreds of years (thats why Jamaica has states names Ocho Rios and Spanish town) but the British soon conquered the spaniards and took over so those contries spoke english ever since but say the british never took over and Jamaicans still spoke spanish would people like Beinie Man and Busta rhymes or other jamaicas who are not indian like nicole ricca (jamaican model who is not black but an indian jamaican- look her up)not be black anymore just because they spanish (a latin lanuage) was the primary language there. Think about it. Also in Jamaica a majority of jamaicans are black (of african decent) but they also have indians chinese and white (example the prime minister of jamaica is white but nevertheless jamaican and in trinidad and guyana there are just as many indians as there are blacks then there are those who are mixed because the different races had babies or so forth so what is the diference of the different races in contries where the primary language is spanish. Dwell on that and get back to me….