Comments on: Afro-Latino? Latino? Black? http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/ de aquí y de allá - mirish xicana finds her place Fri, 03 Feb 2012 09:47:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Afro Latino http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3793 Afro Latino Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:10:08 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3793 To: SoCalledMixedLatino, I understand what you are saying when you say you are a mixed with various decendants of African, europeon and etc. but you cannot say that there are no such thing as afro-Latinos, Euro, indian latinos etx. because just like there are people of mixed decent in america example Kelios, Alicia Keys Tiger woods, there are also some of us latinos who are not a mixture of races and are of pure african decent and my best friend who is colombian and is of pure europen decent who has blond hair blue eyes and looks like paris hilton. We are both Latino. I am from Puerto Rico and just like some of the players opn the yankees , if you did not know it, you would think I am African American but I am not. I am just a Latino who is only of african decent and not mixed with anything else. W@ho knows maybe deep in my blood line I have euro blood but so do many african americans who dont know because back in their ansectry their ansestors were raped by white slave owners and thats why we have so many shades of African americas. Who knows the same thing coldhave happened in my case but this dosn't make me or them any less black. You, like a bunch of other latinos are of mixed races but some of us are all or primarilly one race but nevertheless latino all the same.... UNDERSTAND. Also note that countries such as Jamaica and trinidad were spanish speacking contries for hundreds of years (thats why Jamaica has states names Ocho Rios and Spanish town) but the British soon conquered the spaniards and took over so those contries spoke english ever since but say the british never took over and Jamaicans still spoke spanish would people like Beinie Man and Busta rhymes or other jamaicas who are not indian like nicole ricca (jamaican model who is not black but an indian jamaican- look her up)not be black anymore just because they spanish (a latin lanuage) was the primary language there. Think about it. Also in Jamaica a majority of jamaicans are black (of african decent) but they also have indians chinese and white (example the prime minister of jamaica is white but nevertheless jamaican and in trinidad and guyana there are just as many indians as there are blacks then there are those who are mixed because the different races had babies or so forth so what is the diference of the different races in contries where the primary language is spanish. Dwell on that and get back to me.... To: SoCalledMixedLatino, I understand what you are saying when you say you are a mixed with various decendants of African, europeon and etc. but you cannot say that there are no such thing as afro-Latinos, Euro, indian latinos etx. because just like there are people of mixed decent in america example Kelios, Alicia Keys Tiger woods, there are also some of us latinos who are not a mixture of races and are of pure african decent and my best friend who is colombian and is of pure europen decent who has blond hair blue eyes and looks like paris hilton. We are both Latino. I am from Puerto Rico and just like some of the players opn the yankees , if you did not know it, you would think I am African American but I am not. I am just a Latino who is only of african decent and not mixed with anything else. W@ho knows maybe deep in my blood line I have euro blood but so do many african americans who dont know because back in their ansectry their ansestors were raped by white slave owners and thats why we have so many shades of African americas. Who knows the same thing coldhave happened in my case but this dosn’t make me or them any less black. You, like a bunch of other latinos are of mixed races but some of us are all or primarilly one race but nevertheless latino all the same…. UNDERSTAND. Also note that countries such as Jamaica and trinidad were spanish speacking contries for hundreds of years (thats why Jamaica has states names Ocho Rios and Spanish town) but the British soon conquered the spaniards and took over so those contries spoke english ever since but say the british never took over and Jamaicans still spoke spanish would people like Beinie Man and Busta rhymes or other jamaicas who are not indian like nicole ricca (jamaican model who is not black but an indian jamaican- look her up)not be black anymore just because they spanish (a latin lanuage) was the primary language there. Think about it. Also in Jamaica a majority of jamaicans are black (of african decent) but they also have indians chinese and white (example the prime minister of jamaica is white but nevertheless jamaican and in trinidad and guyana there are just as many indians as there are blacks then there are those who are mixed because the different races had babies or so forth so what is the diference of the different races in contries where the primary language is spanish. Dwell on that and get back to me….

]]> By: miguel_santana http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3804 miguel_santana Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:31:09 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3804 Mariah Carey is of mixed race so she can claim wateva tha fuk she wants 2 & no doubt she will or probz already does! If she has been claimin 2 b blak recently den obviously its 2 get tha blak market on side, its jus all bout tha money ppl! n if u dont realize dat den u all ignorant! Like sum1 said earlier wit tiger woods he makes it known dat he is multiracial coz he nos dat tha blak community aint a dominant money factor in da golf world! so usin this approach is much beneficial from da money perspective.NO FUKEN DOUBT Mariah Carey pretty soon will b aknowledin her latina heritage 2 get tha latino market buyin her shit jus as she did wit her blak heritage!MOS DEF if she hasnt dun so already she'll release a reggaeton remix of 1 of her singles or maybe evn a reggaeton collabo 4 a trak LMFAO she'll probz learn spanish jus so she can release an album 2 cash-in! Mariah Carey is of mixed race so she can claim wateva tha fuk she wants 2 & no doubt she will or probz already does! If she has been claimin 2 b blak recently den obviously its 2 get tha blak market on side, its jus all bout tha money ppl! n if u dont realize dat den u all ignorant! Like sum1 said earlier wit tiger woods he makes it known dat he is multiracial coz he nos dat tha blak community aint a dominant money factor in da golf world! so usin this approach is much beneficial from da money perspective.NO FUKEN DOUBT Mariah Carey pretty soon will b aknowledin her latina heritage 2 get tha latino market buyin her shit jus as she did wit her blak heritage!MOS DEF if she hasnt dun so already she’ll release a reggaeton remix of 1 of her singles or maybe evn a reggaeton collabo 4 a trak LMFAO she’ll probz learn spanish jus so she can release an album 2 cash-in!

]]> By: SoCalledMixedLatino http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3803 SoCalledMixedLatino Sat, 14 Oct 2006 15:07:15 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3803 2 all of ya readin this fuked up post LATINO aint bout da color of yo skin! I am from peru and i like most latinos m mixed wit various descendants of african, european, n indian-indigineous natives of tha americas n according 2 this socially n politically n wateva otha shit u wanna sell i m a whole lot of defintions WHICH IS BULLSHIT!!! Latino is bout a cultural identity not sum fuken racial thing, n dats y wen u ask sum1 whether dey look white, brown or blak dey will tell u dat de're LATINO! dere aint no such thing as afro,euro,indian-latino a LATINO IS LATINO bottom line! 2 all of ya readin this fuked up post LATINO aint bout da color of yo skin! I am from peru and i like most latinos m mixed wit various descendants of african, european, n indian-indigineous natives of tha americas n according 2 this socially n politically n wateva otha shit u wanna sell i m a whole lot of defintions WHICH IS BULLSHIT!!! Latino is bout a cultural identity not sum fuken racial thing, n dats y wen u ask sum1 whether dey look white, brown or blak dey will tell u dat de’re LATINO! dere aint no such thing as afro,euro,indian-latino a LATINO IS LATINO bottom line!

]]> By: RODNEY http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3781 RODNEY Sun, 01 Oct 2006 20:49:50 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3781 LET ME SETTLE ALL OF THIS. LATINO IS NOT A RACE!!!! IT IS AN ETHNIC GROUP. THERE ARE WHITE LATINOS, ASIAN LATINOS, BLACK LATINOS. IM NOT SURE IF MARIAH CAREYS FATHER WAS BLACK, AND HALF VENUZEULAN. BUT IF HE WAS A BLACK VENUZUELAN, FROM VENUZUELA. THAT MAKE HIM BLACK, AN AFRO LATINO. ANY PERSON OF AFRICAN DESCENT IS BLACK!! WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT ETHINICITYS TO CATOGORIZE US. AFRO-AMERICAN, BLACK EUROPEANS LIKE NAOMI CAMBELL, AFRO LATINOS,AFRO CARRIBEANS. THERE SO MANY AFRO LATINOS IN HOLLYWOOD, YOU THINK THEY ARE AFRO AMERICAN LIKE ZOE SALDANA, AND ROMEO THAT WAS ON THE STEVE HARVEY SHOW (R.I.P) I SEE WHERE SOMEONE POSTED THAT MARIAH WASNT BLACK AND SAID THAT SHE WAS IRISH AND VENUZUELAN..DAMN I THOUGHT THOSE WERE NATIONALITYS? DUH! IRISH, AND VENUZEULAN IS A NATIONALITY NOT A RACE DUMMY. MARISH RECENTLY MADE A COMMENT IN A MAGAZINE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW HER, AND SHE GETS OFFENDED BY SOME OF THE RACIAL THINGS THEY SAY OR ASK..SHE SAID THEY MUST FORGET THAT IM HALF BLACK. MARIAH KNOWS WHO SHE IS, AND I THINK SHE IDENTIFY WITH BOTH SIDES, AND THERS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY..HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS BLACK. AND TO THE GUY THAT SAYS SHE CANT MAKE A BLACK BABY..LOL...I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LOOK LIKE MARIAH, AND HAVE BLACK BABYS. MY PARENTS ARE BROWNED SKIN, AND MY SISTER CAME OUT SUPER WHITE PEOPLE THINK SHES MULLATA, ITS BECAUSE OF MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS WHITE AND INDIAN....WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH YOUR VEINS YOU NEVER KNOW HOW YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO COME OUT. AND JUST TO LET ALL THE UNDEDUCATED LATINOS KNOW. LATIN AMERICAS, AND THE OTHER LATIN PLACES IS DOMINATED WITH AFRICAN. BLOOD. CUBA WHICH IS BLACK COUNTRY,BRAZIL A BLACK COUNTRY HAS THE HIGHES BLACK POPULATION NEXT TO NIGERIA, PERU, PANAMA,HONDURAS,COLOMBIA,OH DID I MENTION MEXICO? YES DO YOUR RESEARCH ON BLACKS IN MEXICO..DO YOUR SEARCH ON THE INTERNET IN THE LITTLE BOX. OH..OVER 400 MILLION SLAVES WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICA...ONLY 5% CAME TO THE UNITED STATES., AND ABOUT 5% TO EUROPE.WHERE DID THE OTHERS GO? LATIN AMERICA!!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES LET ME SETTLE ALL OF THIS. LATINO IS NOT A RACE!!!! IT IS AN ETHNIC GROUP. THERE ARE WHITE LATINOS, ASIAN LATINOS, BLACK LATINOS. IM NOT SURE IF MARIAH CAREYS FATHER WAS BLACK, AND HALF VENUZEULAN. BUT IF HE WAS A BLACK VENUZUELAN, FROM VENUZUELA. THAT MAKE HIM BLACK, AN AFRO LATINO. ANY PERSON OF AFRICAN DESCENT IS BLACK!! WE JUST HAVE DIFFERENT ETHINICITYS TO CATOGORIZE US. AFRO-AMERICAN, BLACK EUROPEANS LIKE NAOMI CAMBELL, AFRO LATINOS,AFRO CARRIBEANS. THERE SO MANY AFRO LATINOS IN HOLLYWOOD, YOU THINK THEY ARE AFRO AMERICAN LIKE ZOE SALDANA, AND ROMEO THAT WAS ON THE STEVE HARVEY SHOW (R.I.P) I SEE WHERE SOMEONE POSTED THAT MARIAH WASNT BLACK AND SAID THAT SHE WAS IRISH AND VENUZUELAN..DAMN I THOUGHT THOSE WERE NATIONALITYS? DUH! IRISH, AND VENUZEULAN IS A NATIONALITY NOT A RACE DUMMY.
MARISH RECENTLY MADE A COMMENT IN A MAGAZINE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW HER, AND SHE GETS OFFENDED BY SOME OF THE RACIAL THINGS THEY SAY OR ASK..SHE SAID THEY MUST FORGET THAT IM HALF BLACK. MARIAH KNOWS WHO SHE IS, AND I THINK SHE IDENTIFY WITH BOTH SIDES, AND THERS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY..HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE SAYS BLACK. AND TO THE GUY THAT SAYS SHE CANT MAKE A BLACK BABY..LOL…I HAVE FRIENDS THAT LOOK LIKE MARIAH, AND HAVE BLACK BABYS. MY PARENTS ARE BROWNED SKIN, AND MY SISTER CAME OUT SUPER WHITE PEOPLE THINK SHES MULLATA, ITS BECAUSE OF MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER WHO WAS WHITE AND INDIAN….WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH YOUR VEINS YOU NEVER KNOW HOW YOUR KIDS ARE GOING TO COME OUT. AND JUST TO LET ALL THE UNDEDUCATED LATINOS KNOW. LATIN AMERICAS, AND THE OTHER LATIN PLACES IS DOMINATED WITH AFRICAN. BLOOD. CUBA WHICH IS BLACK COUNTRY,BRAZIL A BLACK COUNTRY HAS THE HIGHES BLACK POPULATION NEXT TO NIGERIA, PERU, PANAMA,HONDURAS,COLOMBIA,OH DID I MENTION MEXICO? YES DO YOUR RESEARCH ON BLACKS IN MEXICO..DO YOUR SEARCH ON THE INTERNET IN THE LITTLE BOX. OH..OVER 400 MILLION SLAVES WERE TAKEN FROM AFRICA…ONLY 5% CAME TO THE UNITED STATES., AND ABOUT 5% TO EUROPE.WHERE DID THE OTHERS GO? LATIN AMERICA!!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES

]]> By: LEVEIOUS ROLANDO http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3776 LEVEIOUS ROLANDO Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:50:23 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3776 Official acceptance modifies some forms of culture. The carnival is an example. Until the 19th century, the annual celebration of carnival was confined to the black population; the upper classes deplored carnival and tried to destroy it as a public festival. By the early 20th century, however, it had attracted all classes and races, and currently it has official government support in the Bahamas, Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, and Brazil. Although carnival has become respectable, and its festivities are open to all races and classes, the chief participants of these carnivals are still black. The same remains true for other folk festivals such as the Jonkonnu in Jamaica. In some cases, however, the transition from low to high culture obscured the African origin, as in Argentina where the tango was developed from dual African ancestry. One source is undoubtedly the Spanish fandango, but the fandango is really Moorish. The other source is a black dance called the candombe, the feature attraction of Afro-Argentine festivals during and after the period of slavery. Latin American music has always been deeply influenced by the vibrant rhythms and melodies that blacks brought with them from their African homeland. This is particularly true of Brazil; in fact, the first real music school in that country was founded by a black priest. Brazilian music is thoroughly imbued with African themes, and illustrious composers such as Heitor Villa- Lobos have long found inspiration in the black musical heritage. Many Caribbean musical styles have become widely known, including the mambo from Cuba, salsa from Puerto Rico, reggae from Jamaica, and calypso from Trinidad. Religious Practices When it came to religion, African immigrants to Latin America and the Caribbean not only retained some of their original beliefs but also borrowed and modified religious rituals from the various European Christian churches they encountered there. Religious affiliation, however, is no longer restricted by race or color. A number of Christian groups such as the Seventh-day Adventists, Pentecostals, and Churches of God are predominantly black. On the other hand, religious sects of African origin—such as the vodun in Haiti (see Voodoo); Shango in Trinidad and Tobago, Venezuela, and Brazil; Santería in Cuba and Puerto Rico; Kumina, Myal, Revivalist, and Ras Tafari in Jamaica; and Umbanda, Macounda, and others in Brazil—are no longer only black Official acceptance modifies some forms of culture. The carnival is an example. Until the 19th
century, the annual celebration of carnival was confined to the black population; the upper classes
deplored carnival and tried to destroy it as a public festival. By the early 20th century, however, it
had attracted all classes and races, and currently it has official government support in the Bahamas,
Cuba, Trinidad and Tobago, and Brazil. Although carnival has become respectable, and its
festivities are open to all races and classes, the chief participants of these carnivals are still black.
The same remains true for other folk festivals such as the Jonkonnu in Jamaica.

In some cases, however, the transition from low to high culture obscured the African origin, as in
Argentina where the tango was developed from dual African ancestry. One source is undoubtedly
the Spanish fandango, but the fandango is really Moorish. The other source is a black dance called
the candombe, the feature attraction of Afro-Argentine festivals during and after the period of
slavery. Latin American music has always been deeply influenced by the vibrant rhythms and
melodies that blacks brought with them from their African homeland. This is particularly true of
Brazil; in fact, the first real music school in that country was founded by a black priest. Brazilian
music is thoroughly imbued with African themes, and illustrious composers such as Heitor Villa-
Lobos have long found inspiration in the black musical heritage. Many Caribbean musical styles
have become widely known, including the mambo from Cuba, salsa from Puerto Rico, reggae
from Jamaica, and calypso from Trinidad.

Religious Practices
When it came to religion, African immigrants to Latin America and the Caribbean not only retained
some of their original beliefs but also borrowed and modified religious rituals from the various
European Christian churches they encountered there. Religious affiliation, however, is no longer
restricted by race or color. A number of Christian groups such as the Seventh-day Adventists,
Pentecostals, and Churches of God are predominantly black. On the other hand, religious sects of
African origin—such as the vodun in Haiti (see Voodoo); Shango in Trinidad and Tobago,
Venezuela, and Brazil; Santería in Cuba and Puerto Rico; Kumina, Myal, Revivalist, and Ras
Tafari in Jamaica; and Umbanda, Macounda, and others in Brazil—are no longer only black

]]> By: LEVEIOUS ROLANDO http://elenamary.com/2006/02/afro-latino-latino-black/comment-page-1/#comment-3775 LEVEIOUS ROLANDO Tue, 12 Sep 2006 04:48:30 +0000 http://www.elenamary.com/blog/afro-latino-latino-black/#comment-3775 Puerto Rico According to the 2000 U.S. Census taken in Puerto Rico, 38% of the population is black and 42.9% is of mixed or other race, but these numbers are widely thought to be skewed since they are numbers based on self-definition and acute physical observation of census-takers. An island-wide mtDNA study conducted by the University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez revealed Puerto Ricans to have 61% Native Amerindian (Taino) ancestry, 87% West/Central (Sub-Saharan) African blood and only 33% European/North African blood. This misinformation of ethnic populations within Puerto Rico also existed under Spanish rule when the Native Amerindian (Taino) populations were recorded as being "extinct". Biological science has now rewritten their history books. In all, about 31 African tribes have been recorded in Puerto Rico. These tribes were not voluntary travellers, but have since blended into the mainstream Puerto Rican population (as all the others have been) with Taino ancestry being the common thread that binds. Many so-called "pure" blacks in Puerto Rico are found in the coastal areas, areas traditionally associated with sugar cane plantations (especially in the towns Loiza, Guayama, Ponce, and Carolina). The Puerto Rican musical genres of bomba and plena are of African and Caribbean origin respectively and danced to during parties and African-derived festivals. Many Boricuas who claim West/Central African ancestry are descendants of enslaved Congo and Yoruba tribes from Africa. After the abolition of slavery in 1873 and the invasion of the United States, a number of African Americans have also migrated and settled in Puerto Rico. Also, note that the Puerto Ricans that typically identify as Black, make up the majority of Puerto Ricans immigrating to the U.S. Sources Puerto Rico

According to the 2000 U.S. Census taken in Puerto Rico, 38% of the population is black and 42.9% is of mixed or other race, but these numbers are widely thought to be skewed since they are numbers based on self-definition and acute physical observation of census-takers. An island-wide mtDNA study conducted by the University of Puerto Rico at Mayaguez revealed Puerto Ricans to have 61% Native Amerindian (Taino) ancestry, 87% West/Central (Sub-Saharan) African blood and only 33% European/North African blood. This misinformation of ethnic populations within Puerto Rico also existed under Spanish rule when the Native Amerindian (Taino) populations were recorded as being “extinct”. Biological science has now rewritten their history books. In all, about 31 African tribes have been recorded in Puerto Rico. These tribes were not voluntary travellers, but have since blended into the mainstream Puerto Rican population (as all the others have been) with Taino ancestry being the common thread that binds.

Many so-called “pure” blacks in Puerto Rico are found in the coastal areas, areas traditionally associated with sugar cane plantations (especially in the towns Loiza, Guayama, Ponce, and Carolina). The Puerto Rican musical genres of bomba and plena are of African and Caribbean origin respectively and danced to during parties and African-derived festivals. Many Boricuas who claim West/Central African ancestry are descendants of enslaved Congo and Yoruba tribes from Africa. After the abolition of slavery in 1873 and the invasion of the United States, a number of African Americans have also migrated and settled in Puerto Rico. Also, note that the Puerto Ricans that typically identify as Black, make up the majority of Puerto Ricans immigrating to the U.S.

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