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	<description>de aquí y de allá - mirish xicana finds her place</description>
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		<title>By: xine</title>
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		<dc:creator>xine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes!! liberation theology was what immediately came to mind when I read this. Living in Latin America (and meeting Jesuits etc.) changed my whole perspective on Catholocism. That&#039;s not to say that liberation theology is the only brand practiced OBVIOUSLY, but still, I think it is often not known about or it is overlooked when thinking of Catholocism, be it cultural or religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes!! liberation theology was what immediately came to mind when I read this. Living in Latin America (and meeting Jesuits etc.) changed my whole perspective on Catholocism. That&#8217;s not to say that liberation theology is the only brand practiced OBVIOUSLY, but still, I think it is often not known about or it is overlooked when thinking of Catholocism, be it cultural or religious.</p>
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		<title>By: abdul-halim</title>
		<link>http://elenamary.com/2007/10/catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-331</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elena, its been a while...

I think your post is definitely thought-provoking. I&#039;m not sure if I see the issue in the same way. I think there is definitely a large set of social justice issues where you are totally on solid ground. I mean, things like Gustavo Gutierrez&#039;s liberation theology, the Catholic Worker movement, the Sanctuary movement, anti-war, etc. have a really strong pedigree within Catholicism.

I think it is much more difficult to do that with abortion, contraception or homosexuality.

Somewhere there is line between &quot;This is my Church and I&#039;m going to change it&quot; and &quot;It&#039;s time to shop for a new church&quot;. But where that line is exactly has to be a personal call.

The other thing I wanted to bring up (which I&#039;ve touched on in other posts on Planet Grenada) is that at least when it comes to Islam, I&#039;m a bit bothered by the &quot;cultural Muslim&quot; concept. It is weird to me that some random Indo-Pak or Arab should be automatically conferred some kind of legitimacy or &quot;authority&quot; independently  of what they believe or how they behave in their personal life. It&#039;s not that I&#039;m eager to kick folks out of the mosque or anything. It&#039;s definitely great to try to create a welcoming community where everyone feels that they belong and are accepted. But I think there is a flipside to what you are saying. Suppose (for example) on one hand you have a Japanese guy who was raised Buddhist, but had some kind of spiritual experiences which guided him to believe in (among other things) every word of the the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and fully and thoroughly accept the authority of the bishop of Rome. Then, on the other hand you have a Latina (or Irishperson, or Pole, or Italian,  etc.)  who was raised Catholic but currently disagrees with things in the Catechism and actively works to promote alternative views.

What&#039;s the best way to describe the different &quot;Catholicities&quot; (if that&#039;s a word) that each person has?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elena, its been a while&#8230;</p>
<p>I think your post is definitely thought-provoking. I&#8217;m not sure if I see the issue in the same way. I think there is definitely a large set of social justice issues where you are totally on solid ground. I mean, things like Gustavo Gutierrez&#8217;s liberation theology, the Catholic Worker movement, the Sanctuary movement, anti-war, etc. have a really strong pedigree within Catholicism.</p>
<p>I think it is much more difficult to do that with abortion, contraception or homosexuality.</p>
<p>Somewhere there is line between &#8220;This is my Church and I&#8217;m going to change it&#8221; and &#8220;It&#8217;s time to shop for a new church&#8221;. But where that line is exactly has to be a personal call.</p>
<p>The other thing I wanted to bring up (which I&#8217;ve touched on in other posts on Planet Grenada) is that at least when it comes to Islam, I&#8217;m a bit bothered by the &#8220;cultural Muslim&#8221; concept. It is weird to me that some random Indo-Pak or Arab should be automatically conferred some kind of legitimacy or &#8220;authority&#8221; independently  of what they believe or how they behave in their personal life. It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m eager to kick folks out of the mosque or anything. It&#8217;s definitely great to try to create a welcoming community where everyone feels that they belong and are accepted. But I think there is a flipside to what you are saying. Suppose (for example) on one hand you have a Japanese guy who was raised Buddhist, but had some kind of spiritual experiences which guided him to believe in (among other things) every word of the the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and fully and thoroughly accept the authority of the bishop of Rome. Then, on the other hand you have a Latina (or Irishperson, or Pole, or Italian,  etc.)  who was raised Catholic but currently disagrees with things in the Catechism and actively works to promote alternative views.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the best way to describe the different &#8220;Catholicities&#8221; (if that&#8217;s a word) that each person has?</p>
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		<title>By: mari</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ay elenamary, thank you for this post ~ and for the comments it generated ~ I see I am not alone.  Recently, I worked on the Bubble Ordinance we just passed in Oakland, to protect women seeking abortions and other reproductive health care at womens&#039; clinics.  Because I&#039;m Latina, and presumed Catholic, there was major distrust of me from some of the women on the pro-choice side.  It was difficult to work on the Ordinance while having to prove to them that I was absolutely pro-choice, while delicately trying to point out the irony in that they were fighting for the right to privacy.  Then the extremist messaging from the religious and pro-life/anti-choice side really really put a bigger dent in my faith.  But I reminded myself that I am actually anti-organized-religion and more culturally catholic as Zulma said....Thanks again for this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ay elenamary, thank you for this post ~ and for the comments it generated ~ I see I am not alone.  Recently, I worked on the Bubble Ordinance we just passed in Oakland, to protect women seeking abortions and other reproductive health care at womens&#8217; clinics.  Because I&#8217;m Latina, and presumed Catholic, there was major distrust of me from some of the women on the pro-choice side.  It was difficult to work on the Ordinance while having to prove to them that I was absolutely pro-choice, while delicately trying to point out the irony in that they were fighting for the right to privacy.  Then the extremist messaging from the religious and pro-life/anti-choice side really really put a bigger dent in my faith.  But I reminded myself that I am actually anti-organized-religion and more culturally catholic as Zulma said&#8230;.Thanks again for this post!</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Because I can - By ¡Para Justicia y Libertad!</title>
		<link>http://elenamary.com/2007/10/catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Because I can - By ¡Para Justicia y Libertad!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogs, it&#8217;s like getting to know a person. You get the know their likes and dislikes, their views you agree with and views you disagree, their hobbies&#8230; You cannot help but share a part of yourself on their [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blogs, it&#8217;s like getting to know a person. You get the know their likes and dislikes, their views you agree with and views you disagree, their hobbies&#8230; You cannot help but share a part of yourself on their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Julissa</title>
		<link>http://elenamary.com/2007/10/catholic/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Julissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had thought about this a while back ago.  And finally I know that there are others that think like me.  I like Culturally Catholic, Zulma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had thought about this a while back ago.  And finally I know that there are others that think like me.  I like Culturally Catholic, Zulma.</p>
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		<title>By: irasali</title>
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		<dc:creator>irasali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello elenamary...pues, i&#039;m technically lutheran--but raised pretty much catholic--long story. but i do get a kick out of correcting folks when they assume i&#039;m catholic just cause i&#039;m latina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello elenamary&#8230;pues, i&#8217;m technically lutheran&#8211;but raised pretty much catholic&#8211;long story. but i do get a kick out of correcting folks when they assume i&#8217;m catholic just cause i&#8217;m latina.</p>
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